Math objects and A.I.

It is said that a Turing machine cannot be conscious. But the problem is that Turing machines only exist in the platonic realm. All physical objects exist in the real world and that means all computers are physical objects, not math objects. The brain is a physical object like a computer is a physical object not a math object in the platonic realm. Turing machines exist platonically, computers physically. People are making the wrong assumptions about computers which are physical, not platonic. Computers can be conscious if they have the right regulating system. They are not platonic just as the brain is not. That is all you need to know on to Turing machine debate. Turing machines are not physical, computers are physical, period. The categorical mistake is to assume your desktop computer is a platonic object and not a physical object that can be conscious.

Turning machines are platonic
brains and computers are physical

You cannot use a platonic object (Turing machine) to justify why physical objects cannot be conscious. A computer is not a platonic Turing machine. It is physical. Wrong category.

Platonic Turing machine cannot be a physical computer debunker. They are not the same things.

Turing machines don’t exist physically.

If only the platonic is conscious then Turing machines are platonically conscious. Again wrong category. Turing machines can only disprove physical computers but not platonic computers. The point is Platonic computer become conscious but not physical ones which is the wrong category.

Platonic computures are consciouse
Physical computures are not consciouse.

Meaning Turing machines are platonic are conscious.

Platonic Turing machine is conscious cannot be used to disprove physical Tring machines as not conscious.
Question: Why is a platonic Turing machine conscious but not a physic Turing machine?

Why is the platonic conscious but not physical Turing machine? It is a contradiction.


Platonic Turing machine = conscious
Physical Turing machine = not conscious.

This is a contradiction.

Why are they not the same thing?

All math is platonic.
Turing machines are math object thus platonic.

Self-regulation and cognition

Earlier memory consolidation was mentioned.

Because signals are reflected back and forth between the many sheets of cortex it seems that this is the mechanism along with the hippocampus. Reflexion also maintains self-regulation of memory integration.

Simply put back and forth signal sending maintains memories and at a certain pace. And it is known that we remember everything we experience connecting previous memories in recurrent data compression. We remember everything but lack access to the compressed data.

The back and forth signals, regulate consolidation.

They also generate new information through internal and external integration.

Regulation puts old and new information together.

Defining ai

Creative Imagination.
The feedback loop needed for super ai

Most programs are feedforward and self-contained.
We need an open system for human level ai.

How do we create imagination in machines?

Machines are powerful enough, we need:

Self-sustaining imagination?

Not on IQ tests

Alot can fit between the ears if you consider operant conditioning/rote learning. But what people often look for as intelligence is creativity. Handling a ton of information vs the way that information is put together qualitatively. The patterns that can be recognized/reconstructed vs the patterns that can be generated.

reconstructed – generated

rote learning – creativity

handling lots of information – information put together qualitatively

reconstruction, rote learning, handling lots of information

These three are what IQ tests measure.

creativity, pattern generation, put together information qualitatively

This is what IQ tests do not measure.

What I consider intelligence is the basic ability to generate new information.

But also the ability to manipulate a ton of information at once.

Here is my definition form Dec 2018


Having an internal representation of the world and use it to imagine possibilities, selecting actions that will maximize one’s preferences.

The variety of new information that can be generated is vast but it matters how the generator is set up. I barely have enough memory to work out ideas in my head. I barely hold enough information in my brain to work things out. I feel stuck all the time. I work in small chunks. I would like a better generator. Just to hold more in a balanced way. Everything is set up unevenly.