New Sets

Si – senses trigger previous senses that meld together inside them
Se – everything is outside them in crystal clarity

Ni – the world is part of them so they seem to have a prophetic knowledge of the future.
Ne – the world is external to them but they know what the world could be so they shape it.

Ti – thought as thought in itself goes to the limit of thought to think all that can be thought.
Te – thought can only be thought in a certain way limited by reality, nothing is beyond reality.

Fi – the deepest self, that which know it exists and knows the mystery of being, to be.
Fe – is observant of others, understand the nature of man and community, acts in duty.

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Function Sets

Introverted Judgment
Ti – wants to have correct thoughts, constantly checking them, critique them.
Fi – goes by what feels right is on the inside with people, corrects self when necessary.

Extroverted Judgment
Te – wants to get things done and to check things out, interact and verify, think by doing.
Fe – interactions with people follow objective criteria of what has worked in the past.

Introverted Perception
Ni – forms conclusions as to the way things will be or the way things are analogical.
Si – has certainty as to the way things were or the ways thing are definitively.

Extroverted Perception
Ne – experiences a broad set of most probable potentials ideas will have in the world.
Se – experiences a broad set of perspectives, sights, sounds, a high resolution of reality.

Software Intelligence and mental illness

The cause of mental illness is poor regulation of the brain system. The causes of dysregulation are many. Given that the brain is used to understand itself and the environment through causality we must know how to generate cycles of proper memory understanding of causality. An example is the conditioning of children by looking into infants eyes so they learn its theory of mind. Schizophrenia and Autism disrupt memory regulation so causality is not learned properly.

How do we regulate memory to learn causality to not develop mental illness? This is a big problem in need of solving.

New methods for functions

ENFP

Ne – static systems, change resonates through the whole.
Fi – deeply embodied being
Te – experimental hands-on
Si – known knowns, known unknowns etc…

Things seem to start with Si as the dots and Ne being the connections between the dots. First, all the connections flash at once from one dot, then a new concept emerges that explains and encompasses other thoughts. Such as the ideas that internal feedback and external feedback shape memory as retention, generation, and manipulation.

Fi being the internal feedback of generating the feeling for or against what is desirable and repulsive. Te being what manipulates by external feedback perfecting and retaining how to change the environment to achieve Fi. And NeSi generating and retaining new perceptions.

This is applicable to all types.
It should help in understanding new methods for functions.

Causality

Another thing that’s worth pointing out is that machines can achieve the same or similar behavior in lots of different ways. It isn’t necessary to perfectly replicate how the human brain solves problems to achieve human-like behavior. For that matter, no two humans achieve similar goals exactly the same way, either. For example, some people have Aphantasia, and think about visual verbal concepts associatively and do “mental simulation” at the level of concepts, rather than through imagination. Yet, their writing looks the same as people who imagine.

The brain builds up a causal understanding of the world. Then it combines those causal understandings in two ways. One is by having a working memory of objects in the environment and manipulating them mentally to achieve a goal. Second mental manipulation happens to ideas in the person’s creativity. Bleach is an anime and a comic of people that fight with swords in the spirit world. The story was not some goal or problem to be achieved, it was a story connecting plot elements and character development. Anything creative comes from connecting ideas internally, not manipulating some number of objects to be in some form of arrangements. But in both a new causative chuck is formed. By writing the story (Bleach) the person now know how to make good stories connecting elements of characters background and personality. By arranging items in your head you know how to use tools and solve problems and make technology. There is a new library of causality to be taped into. That is what AGI would need to do is to be able to understand all the ways to manipulate in its library adding to the library when it finds new ways to manipulate and also all the connections it can make from understanding causality of the world in simulations that show possible way causality could happen in the world. It can then combine simulation with manipulation.

Causality is perceived, simulated, remembered and used to manipulate.
I can remember how thing work, simulate how they work, see how they work, and
manipulate a number of items in my head to make something work.
All to do with causality.

Having Aphantasia most of what I do mentally is unconscious.
When I close my eyes I know what a square is but I do not see it.
I know how to get to several places in my city without getting lost.
Cannot see it I just know where it is.

I have processing speed problems and working memory problems.
But I know what it would be like to hold many items in my head at once and manipulate them fast.

AGI that could understand causality and manipulate its understanding of causality would be super intelligent.
That is what I think, there should be some cybernetic mechanism for that, that is scalable.
Humans generate new ideas from causality, Software should do this with no problem.

Inside

In respones to a comment on a blog.

Uninhibited creativity. Connects ideas without social constraints. You do say that the GER is an IQ test but pp estimates you are 125. This fits the model.

High IQ High creativity
High IQ Low creativity
Low IQ High creativity
Low IQ Low creativity

But creativity is not one thing. IQ is not one thing.
I think I am creative. I have scattered IQ.
I understand things others do not understand.
The opposite is also true.

A generator turns and makes energy.
Internal feedback structures generate creative ideas.
Chomsky can see what causes what and can see how to order these causal relations. He is also impressive with external feedback but mostly he is Introverted.

I do not have much internal feedback that is conscious. Intuition is unconscious, and I can perform external manipulation on items, I lack internal mental manipulation.

Chomsky is a genius at internal mental manipulation.
I cannot think unless feedback is immediate.
I stare at the screen until I know what to type.
Empty mind until I know what to say.

The statue called the thinker is either consciously thinking or unconsciously thinking.

Chomsky when contemplating is looking inside which with others the need external sources to engage them. They look outside to think.

When I try to go internal nothing happens, I have a blank mind. Only when I engage with external things am I able to hold them in my mind right in front of me.

No Thought and Social Atrophy

I was trying to think of the reason why it seems that people much younger than me are better at social dynamics than I am. One point of consideration is intelligence and another point is cognitive development. With me, I should be above average in mental capacity but I may be delayed in cognitive development.

On a website about intellectual development, I found a list of “The four languages of conscious thought”

1. Kinesthetic thought: experiencing bodily sensations, feelings and emotions, as reactions to a memory, immediate experience or imagined situation.

2. Auditory thought: hearing others’ speech, natural sounds and music, which are recalled from memory or imagined.

3. Visual thought: seeing mental pictures, which are often fuzzy and fragmentary and which are recalled from memory or imagined.

4. Verbal thought: speaking in your mental voice, just as if you were expressing your mental processes aloud in words, phrases and sentences – this is ‘inner speech’.

1. I am fine with kinesthetic learning and motor planning control.
2. I barely remember clips from music (I cannot remember entire songs) I remember some auditory sounds by it is not always complete.
3. I lack completely visual thought.
4. I use inner speech about 15% of the time I think.

Visual thought usually develops from age 7-8
Inner speech from age 10-12

In the title of this thread, it says no thought. Often at times, nothing is happening in my head. When stuff is happening it is unconscious thought. which means no mental effort needs to happen. I try and feel what needs to be connected and it pops out of my unconscious.

The social atrophy comes from me, with nothing in my head, not knowing what to do to make friends. In high school. I have nothing to say and I have no inner voice to talk to myself how to be social.

It is a big drawback not to have visual thoughts. But I know it must exist because in my unconscious I remember visual things I cannot see in my head. It is how I can find pictures in my collections by knowing it exists rather than by seeing it projected in front of me.

I never really thought what to do after high school. So I got stuck in the mental health system. I was never that independent or ego driven. So it’s hard to tell what it could be other than a lack of self-awareness and I just was delayed or something. In 4 years I never talked to anyone personally. 4 more years I talked to no one personally.

So from my perspective, both my intelligence and social skills atrophied 8-12 years. A normal kid with normal parents will develop normally and that is why they seem more intelligent and more socially competent than I am (especially on YouTube)(INTP forum counts too). My mom has a mental delay where she stares at you and does not respond to questions nor comments. I stair away from people when the question is hard to think about. I do this allot with my therapist not looking at her well talking. But at least I can talk, my mom stands their or in the car and it is nothing.

Currently, I am discovering the inner mental manipulation mechanism of thought along with the external. (inner feedback mechanism)(external feedback mechanism). It seems like I do not have internal mechanisms but that would mean one-fourth of my brain should be doing other things. I believe these to be unconscious inner feedback mechanisms. They are not conscious inner feedback mechanisms. They are doing something even if I am only conscious of external feedback. I feel what needs to be connected and ideas pop out.

I find it difficult that because I could not develop proper social relations with my blank mind, that I was isolated such a long time. I wish I had the social competence of others. I wish I wasn’t so atrophied. I am about as normal as I can be I suppose. I should be trying to develop my unconscious inner feedback mechanism.

Abbreviated Functions

N – causative
S – empirical
T – calculating
F – evaluative

Ni – predictive, convergent
Ne – stochastic, branching
Si – certainty, recording
Se – vividness, photorealism

Ti – completeness, symmetrical
Te – achievement, goal oriented
Fi – personal meaning, self-centric
Fe – group affirming common grounds

Quote:
Ni – predictive, convergent
Se – vividness, photorealism

Ne – stochastic, branching
Si – certainty, recording

Ti – completeness, symmetrical
Fe – group affirming common grounds

Te – achievement, goal oriented
Fi – personal meaning, self-centric

INTJ

Ni – predictive, convergent
Te – achievement, goal oriented
Fi – personal meaning, self-centric
Se – vividness, photorealism

INTP

Ti – completeness, symmetrical
Ne – stochastic, branching
Si – certainty, recording
Fe – group affirming common grounds

INFJ

Ni – predictive, convergent
Fe – group affirming common grounds
Ti – completeness, symmetrical
Se – vividness, photorealism

ENFP

Ne – stochastic, branching
Fi – personal meaning, self-centric
Te – achievement, goal oriented
Si – certainty, recording

Axes and Quadras

Contextual Perception
Ni-Se
Aware that insights are coming from the self. They are internalized so ideas involved revel themselves from one’s own mind creating something new in the subject. With the vibrant sensation of reality, it is directed by one’s perspective being the center looking out in high resolution.

Universal Perception
Ne-Si
Insights are more of a view of reality as relations and all relations that could be from reality. Sensation is more of a certainty of the contents of reality than having a high resolution of reality.

Contextual Judgement
Te-Fi
Thinking is in the act of doing to test, experiment and build. To account for variables and go by the standard, does it work or not. Feeling goes by the built-up accumulation of preferences that determine if something feels right. Fi is judgment so in context the decisions one has made allows access to tons of context regarding preferences.

Univeral Judgment
Ti-Fe
Thinking is more complete in its designs and systems. It is concerned with finding the best way to solve problems by practically thinking of all possible ways to solve a problem in its head. Feeling is universal in that its preferences has been built up through decisions in groups. The right way to act is embedded in Fe’s interactions with a large number of people well Fi would be from building preferences in one on one interactions.